by Anonymous Coward writes:
on Wednesday April 04, 2012 @08:32AM (#39570235)
So by that level of thinking paying 20k for a chunk of metal fashioned into a car is unreasonable?
When we have Star Trek style replicators that can instantly materialize an endless number of perfect car copies for essentially no cost, then yes it will be.
Unlike data the scarcity of automobiles is not artificial. You need materials, engineering, and labor to make each car.
In summary, you're an idiot and you will remain an idiot for as long as you talk about things you clearly don't understand. That's what idiots do.
Trolls work on the myth/legend system. They work because in the back of your mind you know people who believe that.
There are people I know who are so cheap that they attempted to use a slice of PVC pipe for their wedding ring because they feel jewelry industry is a racket to sell shiny stones. Not that different than people who feel organized bits are a racket. In the eyes of the company, he is the best procurement employee they've ever had.
There are people I know who are so cheap that they attempted to use a slice of PVC pipe for their wedding ring because they feel jewelry industry is a racket to sell shiny stones.
The weird thing is, they're right. The jewelry industry is a racket to sell shiny stones. How is it that they're smart enough to figure that out, but not smart enough to realize that replacing it with plastic is even stupider?
Back before I had said "I do" (or whatever it is they say in here Japan), I brought up this very discussion with my bride to be. What followed I can only assume was some sort of ninja mysticism that resulted in me buying an even more expensive set of wedding bands.
So computer programs appear out of thin air? They don't require programmers, artists or project managers? With automobiles, there's heavy costs on both design and production. With software, almost all of the cost is shifted to design... but there's still significant cost that needs to be recouped.
So computer programs appear out of thin air? They don't require programmers, artists or project managers?
Why don't they sell that service, instead of doing it entirely on spec and then, once it's totally complete, trying to recoup their costs by selling something demonstrably worthless, instead? Seems like kind of a broken business model.
Oh, wait, I know the answer: "BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT'S ALWAYS BEEN DONE."
So computer programs appear out of thin air? They don't require programmers, artists or project managers?
Why don't they sell that service, instead of doing it entirely on spec and then, once it's totally complete, trying to recoup their costs by selling something demonstrably worthless, instead? Seems like kind of a broken business model.
Oh, wait, I know the answer: "BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT'S ALWAYS BEEN DONE."
Could you explain how the service would work, because I can't envision it.
So computer programs appear out of thin air? They don't require programmers, artists or project managers?
Why don't they sell that service, instead of doing it entirely on spec and then, once it's totally complete, trying to recoup their costs by selling something demonstrably worthless, instead? Seems like kind of a broken business model.
Oh, wait, I know the answer: "BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT'S ALWAYS BEEN DONE."
Could you explain how the service would work, because I can't envision it.
Like this [kickstarter.com], or this [kickstarter.com]
Would it be fair to say that these two projects got a fair measure of their massive lifts from industry vets that had already been through the model that you are disparaging?
The initial version, patches, support, and other infrastructure are all labor that go into making the software. In additions to all this, there are fringe costs, such as the building, power, computers, administrative support, social security fees, and so forth. The fact that the marginal cost of production is zero is neither here nor there. Investments must be recouped, or there will be no investments to speak of.
Corporate/private patronage and episodic content releases based on player prepayments could solve this problem. It's true the industry would be different and possibly smaller, but not gone. Someone would find a way to make money even if software was free, and the public domain would greatly benefit.
Well; regardless of more controversial positions on copyright, I've thought for a while that software copyright should be about 7 years or so, and then completely expire. I really don't think all works are created equal. Things that have a short value on the market should not have the near-indefinite copyright that they do today. Rather, it should transition to the commons soon enough that it still has some value to the commons.
Using my approach, the creator of the software still has every reasonable abilit
Star Trek replicators actually consume an immense amount of energy. They're not "free." They just happened to have conveniently solved that problem with matter/antimatter reactors to power them.
Veni, Vidi, VISA:
I came, I saw, I did a little shopping.
Yeah but does it work on Linux? (Score:-1, Troll)
Didn't think so, therefore I'm not interested. Linux defines who I am.
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If refusing to pay for a sequence of bits is considered cheap, then yes, by all means, call me cheap.
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So by that level of thinking paying 20k for a chunk of metal fashioned into a car is unreasonable?
Re:Yeah but does it work on Linux? (Score:-1)
So by that level of thinking paying 20k for a chunk of metal fashioned into a car is unreasonable?
When we have Star Trek style replicators that can instantly materialize an endless number of perfect car copies for essentially no cost, then yes it will be.
Unlike data the scarcity of automobiles is not artificial. You need materials, engineering, and labor to make each car.
In summary, you're an idiot and you will remain an idiot for as long as you talk about things you clearly don't understand. That's what idiots do.
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Trolling hard today, I see ...
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Trolls work on the myth/legend system. They work because in the back of your mind you know people who believe that.
There are people I know who are so cheap that they attempted to use a slice of PVC pipe for their wedding ring because they feel jewelry industry is a racket to sell shiny stones. Not that different than people who feel organized bits are a racket. In the eyes of the company, he is the best procurement employee they've ever had.
Re:Yeah but does it work on Linux? (Score:5, Funny)
There are people I know who are so cheap that they attempted to use a slice of PVC pipe for their wedding ring because they feel jewelry industry is a racket to sell shiny stones.
The weird thing is, they're right. The jewelry industry is a racket to sell shiny stones. How is it that they're smart enough to figure that out, but not smart enough to realize that replacing it with plastic is even stupider?
Re:Yeah but does it work on Linux? (Score:4, Insightful)
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Back before I had said "I do" (or whatever it is they say in here Japan), I brought up this very discussion with my bride to be. What followed I can only assume was some sort of ninja mysticism that resulted in me buying an even more expensive set of wedding bands.
Re:Yeah but does it work on Linux? (Score:5, Insightful)
So computer programs appear out of thin air? They don't require programmers, artists or project managers? With automobiles, there's heavy costs on both design and production. With software, almost all of the cost is shifted to design... but there's still significant cost that needs to be recouped.
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So computer programs appear out of thin air? They don't require programmers, artists or project managers?
Why don't they sell that service, instead of doing it entirely on spec and then, once it's totally complete, trying to recoup their costs by selling something demonstrably worthless, instead? Seems like kind of a broken business model.
Oh, wait, I know the answer: "BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT'S ALWAYS BEEN DONE."
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So computer programs appear out of thin air? They don't require programmers, artists or project managers?
Why don't they sell that service, instead of doing it entirely on spec and then, once it's totally complete, trying to recoup their costs by selling something demonstrably worthless, instead? Seems like kind of a broken business model.
Oh, wait, I know the answer: "BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT'S ALWAYS BEEN DONE."
Could you explain how the service would work, because I can't envision it.
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Like this [kickstarter.com], or this [kickstarter.com]
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So computer programs appear out of thin air?
Well, yes. That's why you need alcohol to get vaporware into an finished product and use ethernet to download it.
Re:Yeah but does it work on Linux? (Score:5, Insightful)
The initial version, patches, support, and other infrastructure are all labor that go into making the software. In additions to all this, there are fringe costs, such as the building, power, computers, administrative support, social security fees, and so forth. The fact that the marginal cost of production is zero is neither here nor there. Investments must be recouped, or there will be no investments to speak of.
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Corporate/private patronage and episodic content releases based on player prepayments could solve this problem. It's true the industry would be different and possibly smaller, but not gone. Someone would find a way to make money even if software was free, and the public domain would greatly benefit.
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Well; regardless of more controversial positions on copyright, I've thought for a while that software copyright should be about 7 years or so, and then completely expire. I really don't think all works are created equal. Things that have a short value on the market should not have the near-indefinite copyright that they do today. Rather, it should transition to the commons soon enough that it still has some value to the commons.
Using my approach, the creator of the software still has every reasonable abilit
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Star Trek replicators actually consume an immense amount of energy. They're not "free." They just happened to have conveniently solved that problem with matter/antimatter reactors to power them.