I'm a Christian, and am not embarrassed to admit it. I'm embarrassed by these assholes, though. (Atheists often think that Christian == fundamentalist, which simply isn't true.)
I'm not sure it's more logical to say that the universe created itself than it was created by someone, but to each his own, I guess.
I actually saw them today at the con, holding up a Jesus Is Lord sign, as a bunch of cosplaying executioners paraded around. I didn't know it was the Westborough asshats, or I'd have had words with them,
And you also get upset when theists call you asshats, am I right? (Do you never wonder why?)
Honestly, I think the arguments for the existence of God are more compelling than the opposite, but doing your dickwad atheist bit isn't a good counterargument.
Dawkins has made being-an-asshole-to-theists his raison d'etre, but it neither makes him right, nor even sound particularly smart. His arguments are laughably bad when he strays outside the area he knows (evo
Better to be considered an asshat by someone who is clearly delusional, than being delusional yourself - or enabling their delusions at the cost to society as a whole. Religion needs put down, hard.
The best single argument for me against faith has been one posited by Hitchens in part 2 of a debate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYaQpRZJl18&feature=related [youtube.com] (part1) and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkHuvErbpd0&NR=1 [youtube.com] (part 2). The idea that existence of this sort of god being "compelling" is more ab
Ahhh yes... Religion needs to be put down hard because it's the root of so much evil.
Atheist regimes, on the other hand, have been proven over and over again to be the very framework of some of the grandest utopias ever seen on this earth.
Take the perfect equality forged by Lenin and Stalin for instance. With no God and no wacky religion in their mix they were able to construct a society filled with peace, respect and equality. Everyone was happy and free of the tyranny of churches and religious folk. Oh yes, and the great Mao Zedong who purified his people of the evils of religion and faith and built a new order that...
Religion, like everything else in the hands of humans is as good or as bad as an individual or group of individuals chooses to make it. I know plenty of soup kitchens and charity organizations built purely as a matter of faith. There's no denying the good impact of that. I've seen religion help rebuild people at rock bottom and I've seen it trap them in a prison of narrow-minded hatred. It is what it is. I knife can be used to prepare a meal or it can be used to murder something.
The arrogance of atheists on this site is laughable. You people act as if you're the be all end all of enlightenment and that people who share your beliefs have never caused ill to this planet. And who cares what people believe? After all, if you atheists are right then yes, a belief in astrology or reading tea leaves or God or whatever is delusional and absurd. So is a belief in anything because existence as a whole for us is absurd. It is meaningless and on a long enough time line nothing that happens will be remembered or recorded so why deny people their indulgences here that give them happiness—even if those indulgences are absurd?
Well, with all due respect, go fuck yourself. (And citing Christopher Hitchens only demonstrates that you're a douche.)
This "rebuttal" to atheism is getting tiresome. You cannot call them atheist regimes with a hope of retaining any scrap of honesty. They were anti-religious, yes, but only because they desired the power of the church for themselves. They wanted to fill that religion shaped hole in people's lives with an image of themselves and their ideology. The so-called atheist regimes of today are not an example of secular societies, but of modern re-enactment of far more primitive tribalism with modern technology at th
I recently happened upon the work of Robert Conquest, an eminent historian of the modern era, who does a good job of presenting an explanation for ideological zealotry.
"What, then, is the mental material into which they insert their ideas, like certain wasps into certain grubs?
Dostoevsky writes of a human type "whom any strong idea strikes all of a sudden and annihilates his will, sometimes forever." The true Idea addict is usually
It's not an optical illusion, it just looks like one.
-- Phil White
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I'm a Christian, and am not embarrassed to admit it. I'm embarrassed by these assholes, though. (Atheists often think that Christian == fundamentalist, which simply isn't true.)
I'm not sure it's more logical to say that the universe created itself than it was created by someone, but to each his own, I guess.
I actually saw them today at the con, holding up a Jesus Is Lord sign, as a bunch of cosplaying executioners paraded around. I didn't know it was the Westborough asshats, or I'd have had words with them,
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No, no, we do not think all of you are fundamentalists, However, we do think you are all delusional.
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>>However, we do think you are all delusional.
And you also get upset when theists call you asshats, am I right? (Do you never wonder why?)
Honestly, I think the arguments for the existence of God are more compelling than the opposite, but doing your dickwad atheist bit isn't a good counterargument.
Dawkins has made being-an-asshole-to-theists his raison d'etre, but it neither makes him right, nor even sound particularly smart. His arguments are laughably bad when he strays outside the area he knows (evo
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Ahhh yes... Religion needs to be put down hard because it's the root of so much evil.
Atheist regimes, on the other hand, have been proven over and over again to be the very framework of some of the grandest utopias ever seen on this earth.
Take the perfect equality forged by Lenin and Stalin for instance. With no God and no wacky religion in their mix they were able to construct a society filled with peace, respect and equality. Everyone was happy and free of the tyranny of churches and religious folk. Oh yes, and the great Mao Zedong who purified his people of the evils of religion and faith and built a new order that...
Religion, like everything else in the hands of humans is as good or as bad as an individual or group of individuals chooses to make it. I know plenty of soup kitchens and charity organizations built purely as a matter of faith. There's no denying the good impact of that. I've seen religion help rebuild people at rock bottom and I've seen it trap them in a prison of narrow-minded hatred. It is what it is. I knife can be used to prepare a meal or it can be used to murder something.
The arrogance of atheists on this site is laughable. You people act as if you're the be all end all of enlightenment and that people who share your beliefs have never caused ill to this planet. And who cares what people believe? After all, if you atheists are right then yes, a belief in astrology or reading tea leaves or God or whatever is delusional and absurd. So is a belief in anything because existence as a whole for us is absurd. It is meaningless and on a long enough time line nothing that happens will be remembered or recorded so why deny people their indulgences here that give them happiness—even if those indulgences are absurd?
Well, with all due respect, go fuck yourself. (And citing Christopher Hitchens only demonstrates that you're a douche.)
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I recently happened upon the work of Robert Conquest, an eminent historian of the modern era, who does a good job of presenting an explanation for ideological zealotry.
Here are a few paragraphs from his book 'Reflections on a Ravaged Century' [amazon.com]