No, it's pretty much true. Most women do not use logic or reasoning. They can't even manage money properly. I for one do not want the vast majority of women to be programmers that would be working on anything of mine.
Ridiculous assertion. Men and women approach problems differently, but that is not too say one is better than the other. For starters, distill out the socialization aspect, and then compare. I'm sure some researcher has tried, but I have not the time to look.
I will say, however, I am often surprised by the trepidation with which women approach electronic devices. Perhaps because of a male-designed UI, or maybe learned helplessness, or it could just be that a man is more likely to push a button, pull a lever
I will say, however, I am often surprised by the trepidation with which women approach electronic devices. This is entirely learned cultural behavior. It has nothing to do with inherent gender differences. My daughter doesn't hesitate at all to click everywhere or push every button to find out what they do, and is very good and finding new ways of locking up Windows apps. It is just like the local skate board park; boys are encouraged to take risks, while girls are encouraged to be more cautious because from the standpoint of propagation of the species, males are more expendable than females. As far as being good with money, again, that is learned, not innate behavior. My wife is an absolute idiot when it comes to technical issues, but because she grew up in a culture where haggling was a way of life, she is much better at financial negotiations than I am, and I have learned to just shut up and let her do her thing (at times, it is quite entertaining to watch her deal with experienced salespeople). Also, masculine and feminine traits are not binary differences; they are a continuum. There is enough variation within the genders that some women do take a much more "masculine" approach to problems than some men. This would be much more so if boys and girls didn't receive such different cultural indoctrination. Sadly enough, despite my best efforts to provide a gender-neutral upbringing, although my daughter enjoys playing with trucks, climbing trees, and wants to play hockey as much as play with dolls, her favorite color is pink and she really enjoys dressing up in fancy dresses and wearing makeup. And had 3 "boyfriends" in first grade. Sigh...
Why the sigh? It sounds like her innate interest and enjoyment govern her activities more than an external society's established biases. IMHO, a result like this is the main reason you'd want to raise a child in as gender-neutral enviornment as possible. So far you have taught her that she can be the person she actually wants to be, and not just live within other people's expectations. If anything this is a significant success not something to regret!
Hear hear!
I completely agree! Binary gender approach is silly and narrow minded. Look around, people are portraying behavioural traits that belong to the "opposite" gender which is generally accepted.
I am guessing (since I'm not living in the US) that the acceptance of women in technical jobs is still a problem for the older generation(s). From what I see happening around me is that the younger generation is more accepting.
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Probably, women take the approach, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it," whereas for men, it's more like "If it ain't broke, break it."
The whole idea of putting it back together into a functional form is little more than an afterthought, when after it has been broken, you need it but only have the pieces.
By your argument, both straight women and gay men should excel at video games that make use of joysticks, and straight men and lesbians should be very adept with those stupid little nubbin keyboard mice things.
Or vice versa for the straight people, depending on how much of the time they spend doing it themselves.
By your argument, both straight women and gay men should excel at video games that make use of joysticks, and straight men and lesbians should be very adept with those stupid little nubbin keyboard mice things.
Or vice versa for the straight people, depending on how much of the time they spend doing it themselves.
Huh.....I always did like those nubbin keyboard mice things.
No, it's pretty much true. Most women do not use logic or reasoning. They can't even manage money properly. I for one do not want the vast majority of women to be programmers that would be working on anything of mine.
Looking at your comments page [slashdot.org] (out of vague curiosity to see if you're a genuine troll or just an ordinary user saying something vaguely trollish), I notice that this is your second comment. Your only other comment was made way back in June 2005.
WTF? You came back after three years to say that? Or did the original owner, realising that despite its relatively high number it was more desirable than a new seven-digit account and flog it to you on eBay for $3.27?
Looking at your comments page [slashdot.org] (out of vague curiosity to see if you're a genuine troll or just an ordinary user saying something vaguely trollish), I notice that this is your second comment. Your only other comment was made way back in June 2005.
No, it's pretty much true. Most women do not use logic or reasoning. They can't even manage money properly.
Absolutely true yet still misleading. Most people do not use logic or reasoning. Most people can't manage money properly.
Best comment in the thread. It's definitely a cultural thing. For the first 10 or so years of my career, developers I knew had a 20:1 male:female ratio. Now, for younger developers, it's 2:1. The difference? 80% of the younger developers I work with now were born in India (and 80% of them are developers because that's the career that their parents chose for them).
Indian women (and men) seem to marry young - almost all of the working developers I know are married with children, even the interns.
This is no different from parental pressure to be a doctor or lawyer in America - once you make it, and have a very high paying job you had to fight for, you tend to stick with it. And software developers make more than doctors or lawyers in India (and have more social prestige, at least if employed by a multinational).
I for one do not want the vast majority of women to be programmers that would be working on anything of mine.
I don't want the vast majority of people to be programmers working on anything of mine. Hell, I don't want the vast majority of programmers working on anything of mine!
The best way to accelerate a Macintoy is at 9.8 meters per second per second.
This is sort of ridiculous (Score:-1, Troll)
It has been proven TIME AND TIME AGAIN that women do not have the proper brain structures to be able to comprehend this kind of thing.
Raising children? Yes. Nurturing plants? Yes. FIGURING OUT AN ALGORITHM? Ha.
And yes, there are some who can. They are genetic mutations, much like Taco's "floppy hoagie".
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Ridiculous assertion. Men and women approach problems differently, but that is not too say one is better than the other. For starters, distill out the socialization aspect, and then compare. I'm sure some researcher has tried, but I have not the time to look.
I will say, however, I am often surprised by the trepidation with which women approach electronic devices. Perhaps because of a male-designed UI, or maybe learned helplessness, or it could just be that a man is more likely to push a button, pull a lever
Re:This is sort of ridiculous (Score:4, Interesting)
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Why the sigh? It sounds like her innate interest and enjoyment govern her activities more than an external society's established biases. IMHO, a result like this is the main reason you'd want to raise a child in as gender-neutral enviornment as possible. So far you have taught her that she can be the person she actually wants to be, and not just live within other people's expectations. If anything this is a significant success not something to regret!
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Binary thinking is rediculous! (Score:1)
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Probably, women take the approach, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it," whereas for men, it's more like "If it ain't broke, break it."
The whole idea of putting it back together into a functional form is little more than an afterthought, when after it has been broken, you need it but only have the pieces.
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By your argument, both straight women and gay men should excel at video games that make use of joysticks, and straight men and lesbians should be very adept with those stupid little nubbin keyboard mice things.
Or vice versa for the straight people, depending on how much of the time they spend doing it themselves.
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By your argument, both straight women and gay men should excel at video games that make use of joysticks, and straight men and lesbians should be very adept with those stupid little nubbin keyboard mice things.
Or vice versa for the straight people, depending on how much of the time they spend doing it themselves.
Huh.....I always did like those nubbin keyboard mice things.
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being good with money has nothing to do with gender. In fact, I would lean towards women being more fiscally responsible.
So which is it? You can't have it both ways.
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No, it's pretty much true. Most women do not use logic or reasoning. They can't even manage money properly. I for one do not want the vast majority of women to be programmers that would be working on anything of mine.
Looking at your comments page [slashdot.org] (out of vague curiosity to see if you're a genuine troll or just an ordinary user saying something vaguely trollish), I notice that this is your second comment. Your only other comment was made way back in June 2005.
WTF? You came back after three years to say that? Or did the original owner, realising that despite its relatively high number it was more desirable than a new seven-digit account and flog it to you on eBay for $3.27?
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Looking at your comments page [slashdot.org] (out of vague curiosity to see if you're a genuine troll or just an ordinary user saying something vaguely trollish), I notice that this is your second comment. Your only other comment was made way back in June 2005.
The "strong, silent" type, evidently.
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No, it's pretty much true. Most women do not use logic or reasoning. They can't even manage money properly.
Absolutely true yet still misleading. Most people do not use logic or reasoning. Most people can't manage money properly.
The lack of women in IT seems to be due to a lack of interest, not a lack of ability.
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No, it's pretty much true. Most women do not use logic or reasoning. They can't even manage money properly.
Absolutely true yet still misleading. Most people do not use logic or reasoning. Most people can't manage money properly.
Best comment in the thread. It's definitely a cultural thing. For the first 10 or so years of my career, developers I knew had a 20:1 male:female ratio. Now, for younger developers, it's 2:1. The difference? 80% of the younger developers I work with now were born in India (and 80% of them are developers because that's the career that their parents chose for them).
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Indian women (and men) seem to marry young - almost all of the working developers I know are married with children, even the interns.
This is no different from parental pressure to be a doctor or lawyer in America - once you make it, and have a very high paying job you had to fight for, you tend to stick with it. And software developers make more than doctors or lawyers in India (and have more social prestige, at least if employed by a multinational).
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I for one do not want the vast majority of women to be programmers that would be working on anything of mine.
I don't want the vast majority of people to be programmers working on anything of mine. Hell, I don't want the vast majority of programmers working on anything of mine!